Greetings Fellow Comstoks! ([info]fengi) wrote,
@ 2008-07-17 00:13:00
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A New Hope of Hemmoraging Blood and Treasure
Obama's foreign policy: Slowly and painfully closing down our lame revival of The Arrogance of The British Empire while simultaneously remounting The Last Days of The Soviet Union, plus a re-release of the classic Nixon album Vietnamization.

While it was dramatic to see a nation's economy and infrastructure collapse while getting their asses kicked in the Hindu Kush, I don't want to experience it firsthand.

Obama admits we're spending money at an insane pace, but his plan to keep going summer 2010, which is unlikely to be less than present spending, means at least 240 BILLION DOLLARS not counting the price of a new, improved Afghanistan front.

Like Carlin said, these guys are obsessed with not pulling out. Has Obama noticed we are on the brink of a bail out as big as the Savings and Loan crisis? Has he not noticed the whole food and energy crisis? Has he been told the Magic Fucking Unicorn brigade went AWOL months ago?

Actually he did notice, but doesn't seem to get it:
We could have deployed the full force of American power to hunt down and destroy Osama bin Laden, al Qaeda, the Taliban, and all of the terrorists responsible for 9/11, while supporting real security in Afghanistan...We could have invested hundreds of billions of dollars in alternative sources of energy...strengthened old alliances, formed new partnerships, and renewed international institutions...called on a new generation to step into the strong currents of history, and to serve their country as troops and teachers, Peace Corps volunteers...We could have rebuilt our roads and bridges, laid down new rail and broadband and electricity systems, and made college affordable for every American to strengthen our ability to compete.

We could have done that.
But we didn't and now it's too late. We never had the ability to do it all, and now we have less than that. Grand intentions will not change seven years of wasted resources. Obama can't say this to himself, let alone out loud.*

The idea of careful exit, residual forces and a new Marshall Plan went in the shitter two years, 100 billion dollars and several stop loss orders ago. It's time for us to admit we're done. No more left.

Time to bow out gracefully while we can still make good on asylum promises to our helpers. We can toss a bunch dollars from afar and hope for the best - perhaps the Iraqis will be able to stop more from being stolen if Haliburton isn't there. The longer we pretend we've years of resources left, the more it's going to look like this:



Except this time, they'll shoot down the helicopter.

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Edited to Add: Yes, he can't say otherwise and the rhetoric is stirring. We need to realize the Bush administration also involves Norquist politics: ending big government by bankrupting and looting it. It relies on the Nation being to proud to abandon intentional misrule. One can dream that our next president has the sense to say "fuck it, we're done".


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[info]vee_ecks
2008-07-17 06:11 am UTC (link)
I never thought or even hoped he'd actually yank us out of Iraq, anyway. Certainly, he can't indicate he'd do that during the election, because he wouldn't win. That would be admitting that we lost as soon as we went in there, and very few Americans in the contested middle seem willing to face up to that, never mind the right. McCain would win by a landslide just showing his face and reminding everybody of the last time we coulda won, by god, if the weak-kneed politicians had only let the troops do their jerbs and the fifth columnist media wasn't allowed to undermine the public's confidence and blah blah blah.

My hope remains no draft, nothing like the wild and horrific escalations in the last throes of our adventure in Vietnam. It doesn't get to that point, or anywhere like it. And some kind of plan for us pretending to save face in front of the world and getting out of there, with goals that don't shift as they don't get met. Please. That's in the promise, not the way I'd like it, but the way I'd like it is, as you say, done years ago or better, never needing done at all.

Afghanistan...we actually had a reason to go in there that isn't done. I fail to see how trying to find more of the people responsible for attacking us in 2001 is anything like British colonialism.

The buildup of "what we could have done..." at the beginning was great. Oh, and I believe he mentioned trying to undo the alienation from everybody Bushco has wrought, climate change and moving away from dependence on oil, too. And some other stuff.

I confess, though, that my stars, I just like hearing the man talk. I've never responded to a politician that way in my life. I like him more the more I see and hear of him. I like him exactly the way I never liked the Clintons. I like him enough that I didn't watch the speech tonight, I just read it and watched clips later. I don't quite trust this Obama-crush of mine.

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[info]fengi
2008-07-17 06:48 am UTC (link)
"I fail to see how trying to find more of the people responsible for attacking us in 2001 is anything like British colonialism." I meant Iraq is like the British, Afghanistan is like the Soviet Union's situation of a protracted guerrilla war while going bankrupt at home.

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[info]vee_ecks
2008-07-17 06:49 am UTC (link)
Ah, sorry - I conflated British collapse and Russian collapse under somewhat similar circumstances in my head and misread.

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[info]sabotabby
2008-07-17 02:07 pm UTC (link)
Well, though. Why wouldn't it win him the election? I ask honestly, not sarcastically, because from what we're hearing now, all but the inherently fascist 25-percenters in the U.S. now think that the war was a big mistake.

(Then again, these things really aren't decided democratically, so maybe alienating the companies profiting from this would, in fact, lose the election. I'm just not sure.)

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[info]fengi
2008-07-17 02:15 pm UTC (link)
I always wonder, what would happen if someone as prominent as Obama actually said something akin to "deliberate misrule by anti-tax nutbags"? Yes, it would be extreme, but I think we are at the point were people can understand a this government staffed by people who want to dismantle it will make policy which is inherently destructive.

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[info]unusualmusic
2008-07-17 06:29 am UTC (link)
I like the nuclear stuff. And the oil.

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[info]fengi
2008-07-17 06:50 am UTC (link)
But to do those things we need the resources being expended in Iraq and Afghanistan. As long as we're mired in central Asia, were the Soviet Union.

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[info]fengi
2008-07-17 01:25 pm UTC (link)
But I do like them.

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