Greetings Fellow Comstoks! ([info]fengi) wrote,
@ 2008-06-03 17:47:00
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AP or MiniTrue?
As someone who voted for Obama, the media presumption is still disturbing, because it's part of a larger pattern of shameless use of narrative as power.

Here's the thing: The AP first posted their story about Obama winning at noon - half a day before polls close, let alone show results.

Since then they've posted multiple versions of the same story, with no indication there's more than one. It seems AP is striving to post a leading article in search results then keep revising the article until it matches reality.

One says "AP tally: Obama effectively clinches nomination" while another says "AP tally: Obama clinches Democratic nomination". Both say AP proved he has the winning number of delegates and both are misleading.

A recent version claims an alleged 18 superdelegates "had confirmed their intentions to the AP" and "five delegates Obama was guaranteed as long as he gained 15 percent of the vote".

Before it said: "another 15 who have confirmed their intentions to the AP" and "11 delegates Obama was guaranteed as long as he gained 30 percent of the vote".

Yet another version says: "16 who have confirmed their intentions to the AP" and "11 delegates Obama was guaranteed as long as he gained 30 percent of the vote".

All of these rely on uncounted votes and still fall short of the actual number needed to clinch the win.

According to ABC the confirmed count when AP first posted way:

COUNTDOWN TO THE NOMINATON:
OBAMA: 33.5
CLINTON: 198

The NBC NEWS Delegate Counts:
PLEDGED: Obama 1729 to 1625
SUPERS: Obama 339 to 295
EDWARDS PL.: Obama 16.5 to 0
OVERALL: Obama 2,084.5 to 1,920

* 190.5 undeclared supers.

ABC, unlike AP, provides a clear trail of changing information.

I have a problem with a news service trying to be first through such manipulation. Declaring the outcome of a vote before it's halfway complete is arrogant and irresponsible - the state elections they treat as a done deal (which discourages turnout) have other issues on the ballot. It doesn't matter if it's close - this is still leading the story.

Note that even with the alleged 18, 15 or 16 the 172 undeclared could give Clinton excuse to justify a floor fight. Which she might do as she saying no concession in direct respons to the AP story. It may be she's staying just because the media pissed her off. To quote Juliette Lewis: "Next time don't be so fucking eager."


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[info]jonfmorse
2008-06-03 10:58 pm UTC (link)
On the other hand:

The AP reporting it as a done deal that early can just as easily serve to cause a rush of Clinton supporters to the polls as it can deter them. I think -- or, jeez, I would LIKE to think, anyway -- that the brouhaha over early declarations in 2000 is still on people's minds.

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[info]fengi
2008-06-03 11:03 pm UTC (link)
Either way, I think journalist would secretly love a drawn out dogfight which demeans the Clintons, or perhaps all Democrats. They really do view this as high school and they love to see the popular kids freak out.

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[info]jonfmorse
2008-06-03 11:10 pm UTC (link)
In fairness, they're going to get that anyway, and the candidates -- Clinton moreso, from my perspective -- aren't themselves doing anything to redirect the focus. It's not as though they've been behaving with the utmost in decorum and dignity. Though I think Obama's at least been trying to.

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[info]cucumberseed
2008-06-04 01:56 am UTC (link)
That's my take as well.

Except the secretly part. They're being pretty blatant.

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[info]mcpreacher
2008-06-03 11:07 pm UTC (link)
i'd be a little more understanding if the media were trying to report on lots of shit at once but for every day fox runs a story about a GOOD DOG or cnn interviews a guy with a miraculous natural medicine book they lose the benefit of the doubt and i don't think they're trying to fit actual news into the day

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[info]archaica
2008-06-03 11:16 pm UTC (link)
So what is this about Clinton "winning the popular vote"?

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[info]mcpreacher
2008-06-03 11:21 pm UTC (link)
you could say it's one of those inconvenient truths that are conveniently not true

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[info]cynthia_french
2008-06-03 11:20 pm UTC (link)
you also have to love all the negative adjectives the media has attached to each and every sentence about Hillary.

Whatever.

Wake me in December. I'm so over it.

I work across the street from the Obama rally that's happening tonight. That makes me that much more over it. I'm disgusted by so many people that have told me "I HAVE to go to that," and when I ask why it's not "because I'm a huge Obama supporter" it's a response like, "everyone is going!"

Wohoo!

And some people wonder why Abercrombe is so successful.

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[info]thekamisama
2008-06-04 05:56 am UTC (link)
Living in a state that crosses over two time zones, this is nothing new to us. They always call our elections an hour before the central time polls have even closed. They might as well just admit that the western part of the state doesn't even count.

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