Greetings Fellow Comstoks! ([info]fengi) wrote,
@ 2008-01-04 08:15:00
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Imagine Taste of Chicago was a major national force.
Iowa had an estimated 1.8 million registered voters in 2004.

Only 354,000 participated in the caucuses (239,000 Democrats, 115,000 Republicans). 19% voter turnout and this was a record. Every participant was almost 5 registered Iowans.

As [info]asim points out, this is not a standard vote process, which is part of why participation was fractional (which makes it more significant or not, depending on how you value the private vote).

Barak Obama, the front runner, got 38% of the Democrats. That's 90,820 votes.

To put this in perspective, in the most recent Chicago Mayoral election, the second place candidate got 91,878 votes. Daley won with 324,519 votes. There were more total voters in that city election - a 33% turnout, one of the worst in Chicago history.

If you break it down by party, Daley got more votes than either group. Hell, the City Clerk almost got more votes than the total participants in the Democratic caucuses.

Now, imagine that less than one week into an election year, the City of Chicago had a major determining role in what candidates would be around for your primary. Actually, given the total number of voters, imagine only part of the 50 wards in Chicago took part - 30 making the decision for Democrats and 15 for Republicans.

Imagine almost the entire presidential field spending several months and millions of dollars in Chicago, for an quasi-voting event which barely represents the city's population let alone the nation. Imagine Chicago moved its event forward to keep its first place status. Maybe that would seem like some serious bullshit, and one might think Chicago was hyping and exploiting a damaged system.

The one candidate who stopped campaigning long enough to block a major vote about illegal wiretaps had his fate decided by around .04 percent of every voting age person in America. No matter what his message, our system is such that it never seriously counted, not even with .04.

I can understand why some people think voting is for suckers.

(Note: my headline is inaccurate - more people attend Taste of Chicago than are registered to vote in Iowa).

Edited to add: People have convinced me a primary which resembles a final election would be unwieldy and unconstitutional as it would further solidify the two party domination which is not supposed to be part of elections. Iowa's outsized influence is just one of many reasons a bipartisan only governance is a bad thing.

The current nomination process isn't even the result of a single plan, but an ad-hoc, piecemeal system driven by conflicting agendas over many years, resulting in entropy which works against democracy. It's hard to remove the influence of big money and big media when the underlying structure is a patchwork of tradition and tacit assumptions.

The ideal would be to jettison the two party system, but in the meantime increasing the level of minimal coherence is required for it to function. In 2007 the parties barely bothered to control the rush by states to leverage clout via early primaries in imitation of Iowa and New Hampshire. This can't continue.

A few set primary dates which rotate every 4 years would be a good start.


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[info]archaica
2008-01-04 02:30 pm UTC (link)
I'd be happier if Chicago did it. At least we'd know there were some brown people voting.

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[info]fengi
2008-01-04 02:34 pm UTC (link)
Except Chicago is already experiencing the dark side of clout - when your powerful Mayor and Governor decide a major issue isn't important, like the CTA, it ends up as a clusterfuck.

Since my stats are more extensive on this post than my first one, you might want to link to it.

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[info]archaica
2008-01-04 02:39 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I heard about the CTA shit. Ridiculous.

I linked to this one too.

Also - I really, really really liked the way you put this. People who manage to convince themselves that Iowa and New Hampshire's roles are some charming anachronism would never STAND for it if Chicago got to decide who ran in the primaries.

Edited at 2008-01-04 02:43 pm UTC

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[info]asim
2008-01-04 03:44 pm UTC (link)
With due respect to your core point, you're comparing apples to oranges -- or in this case, caucus to standard voting primary. I think you might want to layer that into your point, because it's fundamentally a good one.

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[info]archaica
2008-01-04 03:55 pm UTC (link)
What is a caucus but a primary with coercion, though?

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Excellent point!
[info]fengi
2008-01-04 04:07 pm UTC (link)
I will work that in.

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[info]dignam
2008-01-04 04:08 pm UTC (link)
Killjoy.

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[info]mcpreacher
2008-01-04 04:38 pm UTC (link)
we could also put this up against the iowa literacy rate which, if my stereotypes are in order, is comparable to THE TIME OF THE PLAGUE

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[info]flemco
2008-01-04 05:31 pm UTC (link)
A) Dodd is as viable as a fruit cup that's been sitting in the trunk of an abandoned car for three years. No great loss regarding his absence.

B) Although I fully understand what you're saying, it could also be argued that the pre-season games in the NFL are pointless as well (from a fan standpoint). Some people follow football. And some follow politics.

You can have my pointless caucuses when you pry them from my cold, dead hands.

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[info]fengi
2008-01-04 07:05 pm UTC (link)
B) You don't fully understand what I'm saying if you think I'm comparing the caucus to a pre-season game. That's the wrong analogy. I'm saying it's ridiculous this anomalous event has any influence, let alone the massive financial and media impact. This would be like a pre-season scrimmage game with different rules determined who was in the running for the superbowl.

A) The reason Dodd and many other candidates weren't "viable" is the economic and media structure favors the pre-anointed. Iowa plays a role by being excessively costly in money and image for no reason than calling dibs on being first.

By December, candidates couldn't participate in the race if they didn't have an office in Iowa. If Dodd was in the trunk, the attitude of the media towards non-front runners helped put him there. He got a massive amount of financial support after his stand on FISA, but this didn't mean as much as the actions of a tiny group of people in town meetings where low polling candidates can have their votes taken away.

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[info]flemco
2008-01-04 07:22 pm UTC (link)
Actually, Dodd's not viable because he's a major whore for pretty much any large company willing to fork over dollars for that ass. He's worked on loads of legislation - and had some of it passed - that allows giant companies to screw their investors and customers with very little legal recompense. He's not viable because he's a total scumbag, and not to be trusted to do the right thing.

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[info]heptadecagram
2008-01-04 05:36 pm UTC (link)

Since 1980 (that's how far back I bothered looking), Iowa's caucuses have a 75% accuracy rate of picking the eventual nominee for either party. While it's not significant, it is indicative.

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[info]fengi
2008-01-04 06:54 pm UTC (link)
Indicative refers to an event within a standard process which predicts the final outcome. Significant means an exceptional event which exerts an influence on the outcome.

If Iowa was one of many simultaneous primary votes and still predicted winners, it would be indicative. It's almost the exact opposite. It is an event which has been scheduled and promoted to impose artificial financial and media significance on the results disproportionate to its size.

This power is little more than being first long before most other states vote. Your statistic shows the extent of this influence, indicating that powerful forces tend to support whoever wins Iowa. This year candidates were excluded from televised debates in December if they don't have an office in Iowa. The cost of taking part in Iowa is a factor in the economics of running overall.

Iowa is not heartland in tune with the national choice, it's a force which restricts the choice before anyone else has a say.

The low turnout, uniform population and lack of a standard secret ballot would lack the power to alter the candidate lineup were it competing with other states. It's almost as far from a fair election process as the Golden Globes nomination process.

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[info]sundry_pieces
2008-01-04 07:37 pm UTC (link)
Iowa is not heartland in tune with the national choice, it's a force which restricts the choice before anyone else has a say.

THANK YOU.

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[info]mcpreacher
2008-01-04 09:57 pm UTC (link)
well snap

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[info]springheel_jack
2008-01-04 08:29 pm UTC (link)
I saw the Pretenders at Taste of Chicago once.

I'm of two minds. The theory behind the state-by-state nominating process is, of course, that a candidate without tons of money and media pull can campaign the traditional, door-to-door way in a smaller, early state like Iowa or New Hampshire and get out their vote and make their presence felt. It's an opportunity for precinct-by-precinct political organization to tell. A simultaneous national primary would just about guarantee giving the nod to one of the - or the - early media favorites, who could raise the necessary half billion bucks you need for a months-long national media campaign. Of course, you know this.

I've always thought that, in practice, the early primaries add an element of randomness and noise to the primary process. Turning the national electorate is like turning a VLCC; it takes a lot of force and time. Much smaller electoral or candidate foibles can 'bubble up' and transform a small state vote like Iowa pretty easily - it's like throttling a huge flow of water through a narrow opening early in its path; it creates a turbulent point and interrupts the laminar flow, making the outcome at the far end unpredictable from the front end. That is to say, I'm not sure I buy the argument that the early, small primaries are closer to the people and good arenas for outsider candidates to prove themselves with the people - but it does serve to help prevent media bubble groupthink from effectively picking the nominees two years in advance. For that reason alone I'm hesitant about any proposal to junk state-by-state primaries and go with a super-super-super Tuesday format. Or, which process do you prefer: Focus Group Iowa, or having your candidates picked by a straw poll of monied interests and media barons just after the midterms?

That's my theory anyway. The primary process in the US is pretty damn weird.

Edited at 2008-01-04 08:50 pm UTC

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[info]fengi
2008-01-04 10:52 pm UTC (link)
I should revise my posts so that I'm not reducing this to a dichotomy between the current situation and having all the primaries on one day.

People have convinced me a primary which resembles a final election would be unwieldy and unconstitutional as it would further solidify the two party domination which is not supposed to be part of elections. Iowa's outsized influence is just one of many reasons a bipartisan only governance is a bad thing.

The current nomination process isn't even the result of a single plan, but an ad-hoc, piecemeal system driven by conflicting agendas over many years, resulting in entropy which works against democracy. It's hard to remove the influence of big money and big media when the underlying structure is a patchwork of tradition and tacit assumptions.

The ideal would be to jettison the two party system, but in the meantime increasing the level of minimal coherence is required for it to function. In 2007 the parties barely bothered to control the rush by states to leverage clout via early primaries in imitation of Iowa and New Hampshire. This can't continue.

A few set primary dates which rotate every 4 years would be a good start.

This doesn't just effect the possible candidates. States try to use primaries as a pretext for avoiding election issues (equipment problems, voter supression) until the entire election has passed. The earliest start ever may mean the earliest use of "too late to fix it now" ever.

Edited at 2008-01-04 10:59 pm UTC

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